information about valve/motor position, how much is opened

whnagel
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Re: information about valve/motor position, how much is open

Post by whnagel » 03 Nov 2017, 16:48

4 dots (0=close, 1=25%...4=full open) in valve display would be very helpful.
1. Zone1 R. 70:ee:50:24:17:6a (182) with Therm.(68) + 1 valve(61) in T-room + 2 rooms with 1 valve(61) each.
2. Zone2 R. 70:er:50:0b:2f:bc (182) with Therm.(68) and 2 valve(61) in T-room.

3. other house R. 70:ee:50:06:ec:42 (182) with Therm. (68)

janulo
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Re: information about valve/motor position, how much is open

Post by janulo » 04 Nov 2017, 22:32

+1 for dots signalling as whnagel suggested

Brieuc_Netatmo
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Re: information about valve/motor position, how much is open

Post by Brieuc_Netatmo » 06 Nov 2017, 10:52

Hi,
The Valve screen is not made of pixels, so it will not be possible to add such information.
However I transfer this suggestion to our dev team, thank you for sharing.
Brieuc - Netatmo Team

aimonx85
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Re: information about valve/motor position, how much is open

Post by aimonx85 » 06 Nov 2017, 11:24

Maybe you can add this information in the app/portal and log this information in the graph.

Brieuc_Netatmo
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Re: information about valve/motor position, how much is open

Post by Brieuc_Netatmo » 06 Nov 2017, 13:54

aimonx85 wrote:Maybe you can add this information in the app/portal and log this information in the graph.
It already exists, if you look at rooms with Valves only curves.
However it's going to be improved very soon, because the current behaviour is not always relevant (the status is taken once each ten minutes, and can miss data between two measurements).
We will display the average opening of the Valve(s) during past 10 minutes instead.
Have a nice day.
Brieuc - Netatmo Team

Maido
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Re: information about valve/motor position, how much is open

Post by Maido » 06 Nov 2017, 15:13

App improvements apart, risodv, I have your exact problem, valve should stay closed and not heat a room already at set temperature, but it's being heated anyway.
Did you find a solution, or understand what was wrong? Thanks.

risodv
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Re: information about valve/motor position, how much is open

Post by risodv » 06 Nov 2017, 20:51

@Maido
I don't know if I have solution for this problem. When I found out problem with this valve I unmounted it from radiator. After that I applied "WD40 fix" on radiator pin and I pushed it inside maybe 4-times to be sure that WD40 did its job. ( BTW In my case it is still impossible to push pin inside with bare finger) finally I properly mounted Netatmo valve back and calibrated it. Some people mentioned here that calibration of valve can help for few days. I am monitoring my valves in graphs ( but you still can not see how much is valve opened if it is in same room as thermostat) It seems that it works till now.
I am still waiting for new firmware (I subscribed for beta test on Friday) and I hope it will fix some issues with valves. I really want to heat rooms independently by room-schedule.

Now I try to understand how advanced algorithm works together with my valves but I am still confused. Maybe it is too short time to learn thermal characteristics of my rooms but in settings I can see that advanced algorithm is used in my case.
On Saturday at 8:00 should be all rooms heated to 19 degrees. PID started to heat room with thermostat in advance at 7:00, but it seems that valves in other two rooms stayed closed. At 8:00 room with thermostat was properly heated and valve was closed. But other two rooms at 8:00 were still cold. Look at pictures below.

Another tip for bigger transparency:
I would really appreciate it if I can see EVENT LOG for few days ago, what is going on with my valves, thermostat, boiler and so on. For example if I can view or download txt or excel file with similar data:

06.11.2017 7:00 room 1, temperature 17.2 degrees - boiler on - heating room 1 in advance to 19 degrees @8:00 , valve 1 - 100% opened
06.11.2017 7:00 room 2, temperature 18.1 degrees, heating together with room 1 to 19 degrees @8:00, valve 2 - 100% opened
06.11.2017 7:00 room 3, temperature 16.7 degrees, heating together with room 1 to 19 degrees @8:00, valve 3 - 100% opened
06.11.2017 7:10 room 2, temperature 18.8 degrees, heating together with room 1 to 19 degrees @8:00, valve 2 - 30% opened
06.11.2017 7:20 room 2, temperature 19 degrees, heated to 19 degrees, valve 2 - closed
...
Attachments
IMG_1_Room1_With_Thermostat_And_Valve.png
IMG_2_Room2.png
IMG_3_Room3.png

Maido
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Re: information about valve/motor position, how much is open

Post by Maido » 06 Nov 2017, 21:13

@risodv

The valve started working correctly for me just now, out of the blue, truth be told it worked fine until earlier today when it showed erratic behaviour like yours... An employee of mine has got the same issued as we do, so I think it's kind of wide thing, but no idea what causes it.
Curious, how did you subscribe to the beta firmware?

XPS-Team
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Re: information about valve/motor position, how much is open

Post by XPS-Team » 07 Nov 2017, 22:29

+1

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Re: information about valve/motor position, how much is open

Post by stanikuz » 22 Nov 2017, 00:38

Firstly, I would like to know are Netatmo Smart Valves can open valve partly or they can only open and close valve fully. The graphs on the website seem like the valves can be controlled in range 0-100%, but it can also means just percentage of time during the valve was opened to the corresponding time slot.

Because the graph shows percentage only for fixed time slots then I suppose it seems like average time of heating for the time slot, so I am afraid that it means that valves can only open on 100% and close (0% of liquid flow).

So, does anybody have any ideas or clear information that could confirm reality: whether valves work in 2 stages only (0 or 100%) or they work in full range among 0-100%?

PS. When I hear process of switching valve, it often continues during about 5 seconds. However sometimes I hear that valve switches for 1-3 seconds. It could be prove that valves can be opened partly, but I have 3 day experience yet and I afraid that it can be not.
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